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CivilizationWAR
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Original Post #5286   ( 09/03/08 - 06:07 AM )   Topics | Quote | Reply  

My question is will you vote for an Obama-Nation or not?
I will not, I don't know about you but I don't think those on religion countries are all that great, and all the Muslim countries are just that, so a president who is Muslim, kinda looks bad to me, I don't care if your Christian, Atheist, Catholic, Jewish, Messianic, Or what ever, if he comes into power things could go out of the ball field for everything but Muslim, but hey let me know what you think.




pkX904
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User Reply #170788   ( 09/03/08 - 07:16 AM )   Topics | Quote | Reply  

Re: CivilizationWAR


First of all Obama is not a Muslim.

Second not all Muslim nations are theocracies.

What I really want to know is why do you draw the line there. It sounds like you are saying that it's ok for anybody from any religion to be president...so long as they aren't Muslim.




ANI HABIB
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User Reply #170789   ( 09/03/08 - 07:39 AM )   Topics | Quote | Reply  

..I don't care if your Christian, Atheist, Catholic, Jewish, Messianic, Or what ever, if he comes into power things could go out of the ball field for everything but Muslim.."


wth?
now I wish Christopher Columbus was a Muslim secretly lol




pkX904
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User Reply #170790   ( 09/03/08 - 07:57 AM )   Topics | Quote | Reply  

wth? now I wish Christopher Columbus was a Muslim secretly lol"


LMAO

nice one Ani




Tigerlady
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User Reply #170794   ( 09/03/08 - 12:20 PM )   Topics | Quote | Reply  

My question is will you vote for an Obama-Nation or not? I will not, I don't know about you but I don't think those on religion countries are all that great, and all the Muslim countries are just that, so a president who is Muslim, kinda looks bad to me, I don't care if your Christian, Atheist, Catholic, Jewish, Messianic, Or what ever, if he comes into power things could go out of the ball field for everything but Muslim, but hey let me know what you think."


what an idiot.

one, we already have a topic about the next pres. so if you want to post you go there instead of making another thread.

two, what country isnt a religious one? we are, it was our "divine right" from god to be here. AND since this has been america, its always been that way so you think that is country isnt "all that great".

three, you can't even freaking vote so why do you care!!!!!!!! its not up to you so we dont care about who you are pretending to NOT vote for because you cant NOT vote at all.

four, you have no idea what your talking about, hes a christian, HE GOES TO CHURCH.. just because he has a muslim name doesnt mean thats his religion you idiot. also, are you discriminating against muslims? because thats what is looks like. Just because someone is muslim, you think that they be a bad pres.? your an idiot.




Tigerlady
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User Reply #170802   ( 09/03/08 - 07:41 PM )   Topics | Quote | Reply  

um manifest destiny? remember? "we have the god given right to expand our land" hence "divine right"




Tigerlady
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User Reply #170803   ( 09/03/08 - 07:43 PM )   Topics | Quote | Reply  

also gryph you need a 4.. shes only 16 and shes like "im not voting for obama" SHE CANT EVEN VOTE!




pkX904
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User Reply #170805   ( 09/03/08 - 07:52 PM )   Topics | Quote | Reply  

...3: i won't vote for him because he's one that is dead set on raising taxes and destroying the middle cl____ ..


yeah I remember in his acceptance speech when he said "I will find the middle cl____ and I WILL DESTROY THEM MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"




Tigerlady
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User Reply #170806   ( 09/03/08 - 07:53 PM )   Topics | Quote | Reply  

hahahaha...




pkX904
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User Reply #170812   ( 09/03/08 - 09:42 PM )   Topics | Quote | Reply  

...You Might want to actually look into this instead of simply buying what they sell you...


Ok let's do that.

In 2003 government spending exceeded $20,000 per household for the first time since world war ii and the federal budget expanded by $353 billion over its 1998 level.

I call that big government.

when George W. Bush takes billions of my tax dollars and pours them into the ____ sand

I call that big government.

When the federal government tells people who they can marry, tells women what they can do with their bodies, and tells families whether or not they can take their loved ones off of life support

I call that big government.

Ya know it's amazing to me. Conservatives have no problem with the government sticking it's nose into our bedrooms, into our hospital rooms, into a woman's womb, or into Iraq, but GOD FORBID it pick up the tab for little Timmy's asthma inhaler.




pkX904
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User Reply #170813   ( 09/03/08 - 09:48 PM )   Topics | Quote | Reply  

also gryph you need a 4.. shes only 16 and shes like "im not voting for obama" SHE CANT EVEN VOTE!"


Well technically she is right. She's not gonna vote for Obama...

...or anyone else for that matter.




pkX904
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User Reply #170815   ( 09/03/08 - 10:16 PM )   Topics | Quote | Reply  

ohhhhhhhhh I always looooooove hearing this little gem.

...What? you don't pay attention to what happens when the moonbats raise taxes ?!...


query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DEFDA123FF935A3575AC0A96E948260

This is kinda old (ok it's 20 years old) but the conclusion is that states with Republican governors raised taxes more than states with Democratic governors.

Among the 40 states analyzed, personal income tax rates, expressed as revenue per $100 of personal income, increased an average of 2.5 percent between 1985 and 1987. Nineteen states with Republican governors had an average increase of 3.5 percent; 20 states with Democratic governors had an average increase of 1.6 percent. The disparity would have been much greater if I had not excluded a 248 percent increase in New Mexico, a state with a Republican governor, because the increase was so far out of line with the other states.


Here's a more recent example
arkansasleader.com/2007/11/editorialswhos-biggest-tax-raiser.html

Here is the first line

Mike Huckabee raised more taxes in 10 years in office than Bill Clinton did in his 12 years.


Now lets move onto Obama.

The Republicans are using their Jedi mind tricks to decieve weak minded individuals, but here's what factcheck.org says
factcheck.org/elections-2008/tax_tally_trickery.html

After looking at every one of the 94 votes that the RNC includes in its tally, we find:
Twenty-three were for measures that would have produced no tax increase at all; they were against proposed tax cuts.
Seven of the votes were in favor of measures that would have lowered taxes for many, while raising them on a relative few, either corporations or affluent individuals.
Eleven votes the GOP is counting would have increased taxes on those making more than $1 million a year – in order to fund programs such as Head Start and school nutrition programs, or veterans’ health care.
The GOP sometimes counted two, three and even four votes on the same measure. We found their tally included a total of 17 votes on seven measures, effectively padding their total by 10.
The majority of the 94 votes – 53 of them, including some mentioned above – were on budget measures, not tax bills, and would not have resulted in any tax change. Four other votes were non-binding motions related to conference report negotiations.




A closer look reveals that he's voted consistently to restore higher tax rates on upper-income taxpayers but not on middle- or low-income workers. That's consistent with what he's said he'd do as president, which is to raise taxes only on those making more than $250,000 a year.


booya




pkX904
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User Reply #170816   ( 09/03/08 - 10:35 PM )   Topics | Quote | Reply  

And for some more debunking...

thinkprogress.org/wonkroom/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/health_taxes21.pdf

It's a real snooze fest so incase you don't want to read it I'll give you some quotes.
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) has proposed a far-reaching plan to fundamentally reshape our health care landscape. The presumptive Republican presidential candidate’s plan raises taxes on millions of families—with the largest increases falling on middle-cl____ households—and fails to make insurance affordable for many households, especially low-income families and individuals with pre-existing conditions.

Today, workers with health insurance through their jobs enjoy largely tax-free benefits. McCain’s plan treats these benefits like wages, making them subject to income and payroll taxes, and creates a new tax credit for insurance premiums worth $2,500 for individuals and $5,000 for families.1 In the process his plan rewrites well over $200 billion in health subsidies provided through the tax code—a m____ sum that is about three times larger than any Cabinet agency other than the Department of Defense.2 Our analysis of the dramatic changes McCain proposes reaches three conclusions.


For most taxpayers, McCain’s tax credit quickly becomes a tax increase.


Many middle-cl____ households under the McCain plan pay higher taxes ƒƒimmediately.


So yeah...forget what you have heard about democrats being the "tax and spend liberals" and republicans being the party of "fiscal responsibility" because its just propaganda. You said it best yourself. Trust but verify.





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